Crime among the ancients was much as we know it today. Punishments, though horrid, proved insufficient as deterrents. Read the article and, share with the class what was, in your opinion, the most inefficient form of punishment and why. Also state which form of punishment was, in your opinion, the most cruel.
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Danielle Ryan
3rd hour
Most Insufficient Form of Punishment: If a wealthy woman committed adultery and her husband caught her and pressed charges she was banished, her company lost all rank and was also banished, but the husband who pressed charges was forced to relinquish half of her dowry and 1/3 of her inheritance to the state and the husbands career was ruined. if anything, this law encourages husbands to take things in their own hands and punish the unfaithful wife himself (kicking her to death) instead of going to the state.
Most Brutal Form of Punishment: Banker caught passing a bad coin could have his hands chopped off and nailed to his changing table as a warning to the entire financial district.
i think that the most ineffective punishment was for adultery. The husband was immediately sentenced to death if he was caught, but if a woman was caught, she was banished and the man's inheritance and a third of the dowry was given to the state. I don't think it was affective because, the punishments were not equal and if the wife cheated the husband was also punished.
i think the most brutal and efective form of punishment was crucifiction. Crucifiction was done many different ways there was a "T" cross in the shape of a t, a cross in the shape of an x. they would crucify people upside down on occasion. To crucify someone they would first nail there hands to the cross, then their feet, and they would wait. when they nailed you to it, they would stretch your chest out as much as possible. While slowly dying on the cross you lungs would slowly fill up with liquids and you would lose tons of blood. This could take over six hours to kill you. Crucifiction was generally a public event. after you had died on the cross, roman guards would shove a spear through your lower abdomen up through your upper chest, aiming for your heart to ensure that you were dead. i think this form of punishment was the most effective because it often occured with prior punishment such as beatings and whippings, and prevented the public from making offenses because they would see it actually happen.
Most inefficient form of punishment. Why?
If you were Christian then you would receive a punishment comparable to rebellious slaves. Its so hard to think that's a reasonable thing to do, I was always raised to respect someone no matter what religion they are because that's what makes them, them. Its their choice of what religion they want to follow.
Most cruel form of government.
If a slave ate a slab of roast beef was slashed with leather thongs; then nailed up along a roadside to starve, bleed or choke, then he might get fed to a tiger or thrown in a pool with deadly eels.
By: Kylie Rose Smith
I think the most insufficient punishment was adultery. Its very harsh and draws people away from wanting to go to the authorities for the law. It's almost as if your punished for reporting someone.
I think the most crule punshment was when someone was cought with counterfit and their hands were cut off as a reminder or their crime.
-Jack (FTW)
I think the most inefficient form of punishment in Rome was exile. Even this was harsh, and probably fairly efficient, but compared to some of the others, it isn’t too bad. Also, If criminals are exiled, they are not hurt, and they can still go places. In some cases this type of punishment probably led to exiled criminals joining opposing armies, making it a counterproductive tactic. I think that the cruelest type of punishment was the arena. Putting criminals in a place where Romans can watch them be devoured by wild animals is just not quite right. It is one of the worst fates there is.
The above comment is mine.
--Marshall
Donna Davidson <3
Crime among the ancients was much as we know it today. Punishments, though horrid, proved insufficient as deterrents. Read the article and, share with the class what was, in your opinion, the most inefficient form of punishment and why. Also state which form of punishment was, in your opinion, the most cruel.
I think the most insufficient form of punishment was adultery because if a husbang got caught cheating he would be put to death no questions asked and if a women was caught cheating she was banished and her husbands inheritance and 1/3 of the dowry was given to the government. I think this law is bad because the husband gets punished for something he didnt do and doesnt deserve.
The most cruel law was putting criminals in the arena because poeple would sit there and watch these criminals get eaten by wild animals ... that should be a crime in itself.
I believe that the most pointless punishment was being exiled. This is ineffective because you are thrown out of your state...but you can live somewhere else. Yeah youre family is in another state but they can still visit you. You have mulitple "lives" because there are a lot of different places to go.
The most brutal punsihment in my opinion is when a slave eats the food for the mast (the good food) they get whipped and nailed up along the roadside and left to die. Then they don't have a nice funeral/ceremony but get to be food for animals. If I heard this would happen to me. I would rather starve then go through the punishment.
-Jordan Min Kee Scheller
In my opinion the most insufficient form of punishmeny was for adultery for either a man or a woman. If a woman was found guilty than she would be banished with her company. Also the husband would have to pay the state. If a man was foud guilty than he was immeditly killed. I think that the punisments should have been the same for both sides of the offence.
I think the most cruel form of punishment was crucifiction or a slave eating meat. In both ways you die slowly and painfuuly. And both are cruel.
-Sophia Ball 3rd hour
I think that the most inefficient form of punishment was when a wife had committed adultery and her husband pressed charges was no good. Because then it'd go to the judges/officials and the man would not only have his wife banished but he'd have to pay. There is really nothing benefited by either of them and i think that it's ridiculous because the man would just beat his wife or kill her himself rather than inform the officials and have his like also ruined. It was in my opinion a senseless punishment.
I think the most cruel punishment was if a slave ate the like good food they'd get like whipped and beat and then they would be thrown to the roadside and chained down. Then they would have a even worse fate like being fed to a deadly animal or just getting beat more and then just end up dying. There wouldn't be any type of like burial ceremony or anything like that they'd just be there, dead. I would prefer to starve because this a terrible fate, but being a slave sucks to. None the less dying is way worse.
-Jazzy
De`Andreah Hollowell, Hora 3
In my opinion, adultery was the most inefficient. The woman may have to wear men's clothing and be laughed at in public, but if the man in the relationship were to go to court, he'd give up 1/3 of her inheritance plus half her dowry to the state. That's unfair. It seems like it's saying that you're weak if you tell that your wife was unfaithful.
I'd say the most cruel punishments had to be that of Christians and condemned criminals. They were sent to the arena to either fight as gladiators, or be eaten by wild animals. It saddens me that people who did no wrong other than believing in something that they were put on the same level as criminals. =/
In my opinion the most ineffective form of punishment was being exiled. When one is banished from their home country they of course will be upset at first but they can start their whole life over. They could change their name and move to a whole new town and no one would have any idea about them (Or at least their identity).
The cruelest form of punishment was being forced to commit suicide. If that person kills their own self against their own will it seems like torture. Killing ones own self seems more terrifying.
-Alison Robinson
Brittany Buurstra
1st hr
The most ineffiecient punishment was when an aristocratic woman was sent into exile for committing adultery. The common woman wears a men's toga and is ridiculed in public. This isn't fair, nor does it teach anything or distribute justice evenly or at all.
The most cruel punishment is when a senator made an accusation and his fellow senators tore him to pieces, stabbing him with their pens.
I think most insufficient form is the adultery, because The women was only forced to wear a toga and ridiculed in public. it just don't seem to be very effetive.
I think the most cruel one is sending criminals into arenas full of hungry lions and tigers and make a show of it, because... cats like to play with their prey, and it's just cruel to watch them getting hunted by the hungry animals helplessly
-Hanna Shih 3rd hr
I think one of the most unfair types of punishment was for comitting adultery. The punishments were harsh and unjust, and might have gone too far. A death sentence for that happens all the time now.
The most cruel,but also the most funny was sending the criminals into the arena with hungry lions and tigers. The criminals must think of the punishments before they commit the crime.
-Jeffery Oard
1st hour
I definitely think that from reading the article, the most inefficient and unfair punishment was the punishment for adultry. The sheer consequences were very severe, especially if the wife was caught commiting adutltry and the husband pressed charges. Having to be banished and all of her company banished and half of ther dowy is going a little overboard. But maybe adultry was considered a slap to the face and considered highly disrespectful to a husband.
I think the most brutal form of punishment is either a cross between having to be in a den full of lions or getting your hands chopped off and nailed to a table. These punishments dont go without proper reason though.
-Alejandro Potter
The most inefficient form of punishment was adultery. If a women was caught committing adultery she would be banished and her husband's inheritance and 1/3 of his dowry was given to the government. But if men where caught committing adultery they would be automatically executed. I think this law is bad because the men get a worse punishment then the women for committing the same thing.
The most cruel form of punishment was when a slave was caught with a slab of roast beef was either crucified or whipped with leather thongs. If he wasn't nailed up along the side of the road to starve, bleed, or choke to death on the cross he became a meal for tigers or spent a couple minutes in a pool full of eels. I think this was the most cruel form of punishment because it was given to the slaves if they stoled food. It seemed like it was an extreme punishment for just stealing food.
-Sarah Carlson
3rd hour.
To Dylan:
I can tell that you used information that wasn't in the reading to complement your answer. Good job.
--Marshall King
To Jack:
I agree that cutting of a person's hands and nailing them to a table is cruel. Rome seems so much like America in many ways, and it was certainly a very advanced civilization, but some of the methods employed in punishment for crime are just so primitive. That reminds us that it was a different time with different social codes, but it is also kind of scary. Things like this are still done in some places.
--Marshall King
In my opinion, the inefficient form of punishment was when a husband insisted on a judicial process for his wife's act of adultery. I think it's inefficient because if the wife was wealthy, 1/3 of her inheritance and 1/2 of her dowry was given to the state, possibly ruining his career.
I think the most cruel punishment was having a slave being crucified, lashed, eaten by a tiger, or thrown into a pool of eels for stealing food out of desperation.
Sara Spiller 1st hour
Comment to Alison Robinson:
I like your explanations to your answers because I didn't think that they'd be as cruel or ineffective at first.
Jazzy Benson:
I also like your reasoning for adultery and how the wife nor husband win (loss of money and inheritence) when charged.
Sara Spiller 1st Hour
To Dylan:
Dude, those are some seriously gruesome details.
-Dani
To Marshall;
Your comment was really well thought out. I never looked at exile like that. Good Job.
-Dani
Most ineffective:
Adultery- The sentences were unequal and no matter what the husband took a hit whether or not he was the one that did the crime. The husband if caught was sentenced to death, but the wife was just banished and 1/3 of her dowry was given to the state.
Most Cruel:
Was either being stabbed by pens from other senators, slaves being nailed to the side of the road, OR hanging on a cross…. All sound very painful…
Mackenzie
Duncan White
I think the least efficient form of punishment was Adultery. It was kind of cruel to kill the man but women were just banished and the State got one third of the dowry.
The most effective form of punishment was probably when the Christians and criminals had to go fight lions in a big arena because it would be very humiliating also because there would be lots of people watching you get eaten by a big cat...
Duncan White
Jeffery: I liked you point on how the criminals should think about their actions before they commit them. There would probably be a lot less crime in the world if people thought it through for a while...
Danny: I agree with you on the most brutal form of punishment. It would be very hard to keep on living with no hands... and very embarrassing to have them nailed to a table in a public place.
Duncan White
Brittany Buurstra
1st hour
To Mackenzie: I agree with you on adultery, the sentences weren't equal
To Sara S.: Now that you mention it, being eaten by a tiger is pretty cruel
The most inefficient form of punishment, in my opinion, was the punishment given to a man for committing adultery, or for reporting his wife for doing so. If a man was found guilty of cheating, he was immediately put to death. But if a husband reported his wife for committing adultery, she would be exhiled and he would lose half of her dowry and a third of her inheritance to the state, and his career would be ruined. How is that fair? That's like punishing someone for a crime they did not commit. The punishments should be the same for both genders, and should not affect the one adultery was committed against.
I think that the cruelest punishment was the one given to a slave that stole the master's meat. The smallest punishment they'd get would be being beaten humiliatingly with leather thongs. Most often they were crucified by the roadside to starve, bleed, or choke to death. Sometimes they would be fed to an imperial tiger while still alive, or dropped in a pool with deadly eels.
Deryn Duesbery
1st hour
Kylie: I agree, I don't think someone should be punished just for what they belive. I've always been taught to respect the beliefs of everyone.
Alison: That would be hard, to have to kill yourself. I don't think I could do it. That's almost worse than torture, taking your own life.
Deryn Duesbery
1st hour
what was, in your opinion, the most inefficient form of punishment and why. Also state which form of punishment was, in your opinion, the most cruel.
The most inefficient form of punishment to me was about incest with when sextus tried to keep away from his mother as long as possible and after giving up to her he then jumped off a cliff and his mother pleaded weak womanhood and her life was spared with only 10 years exile.
The most cruel crime would have to be when the herdsman asked if there were a corpse in the closed carriage and the young envoy ordered the herdsman beaten to death on the road with the thongs of the diplomats sedan chair .
-rachel miller
1st hour.
Dylan- I agree with you about adultery, and how the husband would be treated unfairly compared to the wife( if charged)
Dani- I think your choice on the most cruel punishment was a very good one, thats just ridiculous!
-rachel miller
1st hour
Dylan,
I think the way that you went into such detail about crucification was very well done. Good job. I also agree with your first statement about how ineffective that punishment was.
Danielle,
I agree, like many others, that the punishment for adultery was the most unfair and insufficient. I like how you put in your own opinion.
Dani:The most cruel punishment would be that because you have something to remind you of what you did.
Kylie: The most ineffective punsihment would be hard to understand but I get what you are saying.
Jordan Min Kee Scheller
To Dylan- Thanks for giving us all the nasty details, but you're right Crucifiction is really brutal.
To Jazzy- Yeah i totally agree that the punishment for a slave eating a piece of meat is horrible.
- Sophia Ball 3rd hour
Danielle,
Good answer to the question that was asked. and yes i do also agree that the most ridiculous form of punishment was to cut off the hands and nail them to the table. Although it was ridiculous, it probably worked!
Dylan,
Hmm i agree that could be a very effective way of punishing someone, especially in front of lots of people. Not only would it embarass you and ruin your respect, but everyone would fear a death like that. Just hearing about stuff like that gives people chills!
-Alejandro Potter
I think that the most insufficient form of punishment was adultery because it isn’t fair that the men get more punished harshly. If a men was caught doing adultery he would be killed while if a woman gets caught she just gets banished and 1/3 of her inheritance to the state. It would be better if the husband would punish his own wife. I think that the cruelest punishment was when the people were put in the middle of the arena and be eaten/ killed by willed animals. No one would like to see that because it would be a horrible sight to see.
Yolanda Ramos
To Danielle Ryan,
I agree with your answer and it was well explained.
To Jazzy Benson,
I like your answer because it had a lot of information which explained what you thought about the punishments you chose.
Yolanda Ramos
To Hanna Shih: i liked your second opinion. the idea of someone watching someone else get ate alive by a tiger is very scary.
To Kylie Smith: Your first opinion really expressed your views. Good job.
-Alison Robinson
I think that the most insufficient form of punishment was exile becuase they could always go somewhere else or live just outside the border. Yes, they might have to leave thier family, but thier family could always move with them.
I think the most brutal form of punishment was crucifiction becuase not only were they left to die (which could take over six hours) then stabbed, but they were beaten and had thier hands nailed to the cross and also thier chests wree stretched really far. It must have been very painful.
~Savannah Smith
I think the most inefficient punishment was being exiled. You could start a new and sometimes better life somewhere else. Your family could still visit you. The worst part of being exiled I think is the shame of having to leave your own country.
Most Brutal: Just for stealing some meat, a slave could be nailed to the side of the road, eaten by a tiger, or put in a pool with deadly eels. This is a terrible punishment for a crime that wasn't too bad.
Anne Emig 1st hour
Sophie- Great job explaining your answer. I agree that crucification was a very brutal form of punishment.
Jazzy- Your answer was very well-written. I also think that the slave's punishment was a little too harsh.
Anne Emig 1st Hour
Jordan: I really liked your insight on the most inefficient punishment. I can see why you'd think exile isn't that great, as you said the person is just being sent out of the city-state/town/whatever, and really isn't suffering the repercussions of what they did.
Sarah C. : The punishment of slaves for stealing food is beyond harsh, I agree. To spend an amount of time in a pool of eels, continuously electrocuting me just to have a stolen piece of meat? No thanks, I'll pass.
~De`Andreah Hollowell
I think that the most inefficient form of punishment was the unequal treatment of people depending on their political statues, financial statues, and where they stood in the social ladder. For example, slaves and Christians were treated unequally and were given harsher punishments. Christians received, as stated in the article,
sentences comparable to those
inflicted on mutinous soldiers or rebellious slaves. And slaves were hung, choked, or even crucified if they broke the law in any way.
The most cruel form of punishment, in my opinion, would be death to the cross (crucifixion). Though they all seemed cruel, ranging from being thrown into an arena
filled with lions/tigers to permanent exile. Slaves who made
off with a piece of roast beef, for example, was nailed up alongside a road to starve, bleed, or choke to death. I think this from of punishment is the most cruel because it was a painful death and given to the most smallest of charges.
Eskira Kahsay
History-1st hour
Dylan: I agree with your second statement (paragraph). You explained it very well and used a lot of detail. Great Job!
Deryn: I like how you incorporated your feelings/emotions & opinion into your writing. Good Job!
*Eskira Kahsay
History-1st hour
I think the most inefficient form of punishment was when people would commit adultery because the first emperor Augustus was too embarrassed to punish the male adulterers and just forced them into suicide. I think that this isn't doing anything, and that he's actually losing good men for military, farming, government, etc purposes, while common women who commit the same crimes get banished to other places, where they can start off fresh.
The most cruel form of punishment was probably when the slave got a painfully sentence to death (nailed roadside to starve/bleed, almost killed by deadly eels, choke to death on a cross, eaten by a tiger) by his master on an imperial private estate.
-Yasmen W.
Dylan: Really well thought out and discriptive punishments. Nicee!
Jazzyy-Fayy!! I was really impressed with your points of view and I agree with you! A job well done to you girlfriend ;)
Kylie Rose
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